Thank You Pulpit Pimps – You Helped Elect Obama

I don’t normally comment on politics. It can be very subjective, and often there are not clear-cut sides to take. But every once in a while, the confluence of piety and politics has such a devastating effect on our freedoms as Americans, that I am forced to say something. Such is the case with Obama and the pulpit pimps.

Pulpit pimps weaken the Christian culture. Another bit of damage the pulpit pimps have done is to make religious Black people so spiritually stupid they actually think Obama is helping them.

Why do I say this? Follow along.

When compared to ANY Republican candidate, the Blacks surveyed went anywhere from 93 percent to 95 percent for Obama. And as of October of 2011, the Pew Research center says:

In a recent Pew Research Center poll, Black voters preferred Mr. Obama 95 percent to 3 percent over Mitt Romney, “which is at least the margin he got in 2008,” said Michael Dimock, associate director for research at Pew. “There’s no erosion at all.” And according to a February 2 2012 Pew Report, 88 percent of Blacks are either Democrat or lean toward Democrat affiliation.

But let’s take a look at the facts:

Obama and the Democrats just finished making a full-scale assault on religious (not just Catholic) freedoms. He tried to force Protestant AND Catholic hospitals, Christian schools, and other religious-based organization to violate their conscience by forcing those organizations to pay for insurance that would provide abortions for their workers (and yes, I counting abortion inducing chemicals as abortions since the net result is a dead baby). And now he’s backing off to say insurance companies have to pay for these things, which means we all will pay for them since the insurance companies will simply raise their prices to pay for the increased costs of the services.

Obama has repeatedly been a promoter of homosexuality as being no different from heterosexuality. He has pushed for the redefinition of marriage. He has accused those who disagree with him of bigotry. He has made it a point to appoint openly homosexual individuals to high offices for no apparent reason other than their homosexuality.

Obama and the democrats have done more to support the deaths of literally millions of Black babies through abortions. Margaret Sanger would be proud of him. And so would Herr Himmler.

He has set the precedence for the assassination of American citizens without the exercise of due process. Yes, the fellow killed was a really bad guy, but that doesn’t give us the right to simply kill him.

But my point in all of this is that if you ask the average Black who attends the church of one of the pimps, that Black will argue you into the ground that Obama is a Christian.

And no, I’m not saying he’s a Muslim. I’m saying the average religious Christian, one “trained” in a pulpit pimp’s church or even a liberal church, has not been introduced to the idea of a holy and righteous God. They have not been exposed to the idea that one is a Christian 24/7 and not just on Sundays. They have no real clue with respect to the idea that my life should be a living sacrifice (Roman 12:1-2) and sacrificed according to God’s standards not my own.

Thanks to the pimps, religious Blacks view Obama as a savior. Thanks to Obama, Blacks are perishing financially. Yes, yes. I know. It’s Bush’s fault.

I considered Bush, at best, to be a faux conservative. He has his own set of difficulties. But the current push to normalize perversion is not one of them. The current intensive effort to make us even more dependent on the government is Obama’s and Obama’s alone. The attempt to force us into a guaranteed to fail medical system is Obama’s and Obama’s alone. Taking a crap on the rule of law is Obama’s and Obama’s alone. And the fomenting of open hostility to things Christian belongs solely to Obama.

Little or nothing Obama promotes as policy is consistent with Christian doctrine. And when he does try to cloak his actions in Scripture, he twists and distorts it, making it obvious that he has not a clue. He demonstrates over and over again that when it comes to Christianity he has no understanding of Christianity and has not been significantly influenced by Christianity. As an example, he is the most pro-abortion president in our history.

Let’s face it. The man sat for 20 years under Jeremiah Wright, a socialist (use the force of government to take from one group of people and give to the group I think it should go to) and a staunch promoter of Liberation Theology. You can’t get any further from life-changing Christianity than that.

Obama is not a Christian. He has too many consistently anti-Christian aspects to his life for me to even begin to claim he is. But I can guarantee you there are folks out there, especially the religious Blacks who will swear before God that the man is born again.

Thank you pulpit pimps.

29 Responses to “Thank You Pulpit Pimps – You Helped Elect Obama”

  1. Lynne Says:

    “the average religious Christian, one “trained” in a pulpit pimp’s church or even a liberal church, has not been introduced to the idea of a holy and righteous God”

    I actually feel sorry for you, your thoughts are ungodly and reveal your true nature which is hateful. I was once brainwashed at a pimp pastor megachurch to believe that I had to vote “Republican” in order to be a Christian. Thanks to individuals like you, I know understand that I had been a fool for eight years voting for Bush. Never again, I will never cast a vote based on someone’s religion.

    (MN: Who in the world said you have to vote Republican? I certainly didn’t.

    But you are correct: you shouldn’t vote for someone on their professed religion. Obama PROFESSES to be a Christian. But his action indicate quite the opposite. Your voting should be for someone whose world view is consistent with yours.

    If you’ll notice, I said Bush has his own issues. He pushed for many things I very much disagreed with and that I thought to be contrary to Conservative values.

    But what I am pushing, as I said earlier, your voting should be, as much as possible, consistent with your world view. And your world view should be controlled by a faithful application of Scripture. Nine times out of ten, you will end up voting for the most conservative running.

    A question: Did you vote for Obama? If so, why did you vote for him? Are you pleased with his actions so far? If not, why not. If so, why?

    Finally, why do you say what I have said is ungodly? And how is what I said hateful? What, of what I said, is untrue? )

  2. nehemiah fights Says:

    Great to see the Pimp is back! Missed ya.

    BUt lemme say one thing: you touched on Bush as a “faux conservative”. I submit to you he, too, seems to be a faux Christian. This clip is exibit A: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O10-JVXNqrw

    Which brings me to this: I didn’t vote for Obama so no need to defend him here, but I wonder why do we as Christians constantly test the existence of his faith, while Bush’s clear heresy of the nature of God gets overlooked by most evangelicals?

    And when are we Christians going to awaken to the fact that the office of POTUS is nothing but a puppet position influenced by covert forces.

    (MN: That is the difficulty of trying to use my world view as a standard for voting. I agree with your characterization of Bush as a faux Christian. Or at a minimum a very immature one. But given what he said, I can go with the faux Christian view. I voted for him because the choice was between him and Gore. Gore? Are you kidding? I doubt there has been a real live Christian in the office of the president of the United States for a couple of hundred years.

    Come primary time here in Maryland, I have to choose between Santorum (a Catholic) and Romney (a Mormon). If Romney gets the nomination for president, I have to choose between Obama (a pretend Christian who is actively opposed to Christian principle) and Romney (a Mormon and polytheist who at least holds to principles I can agree with). I suspect I would have less difficulty if Ron Paul was on the ballot instead of either Ricky S or Romney. )

    • Trinh Says:

      Black Diaspora~I should have clriifaed the only reason for ME (CBW) to vote for Obama is because he is black. But I certainly think that Obama’s “blackness” played a part in Colin Powell’s decision to endorse him since he views him as a “transformative figure”. What praytell, is transformative about Obama and his extremely liberal views except that fact that he is a black liberal? The DNC ensured his nomination by neglecting to properly vet him because they knew that a charismatic black man is exactly what they need to get in the white house.

  3. nehemiah fights Says:

    MN:
    In my opinion, national politics has become a meticulously calculated, deliberately engineered machine that’s not here to serve the common folks it was meant to represent. So, I’m just about done with it. I’d say the local politics of your township, municipality, commonwealth or village are probably more pertinent to you and your family, so you might want to focus more on that. I know that’s what I plan to do from now on.

    That said,I understand your dilemma in light of what Rom 13: 1-6 enjoins us to do

  4. Anonymous Says:

    Welcome back, Melvin. I wondered where you went. I hope all is well with you, and that your wife is much better now.

    (MN: Thank you. Now that you mention it, it is probably time for a Peggy Update. )

  5. Ex-WoFer Says:

    Hey Melvin long time no see! Anyway I agree with your assessment on Obama. As I’ve said many a time the GOP isn’t any better. Perhaps this country deserves the current crop of politicans in D.C. I have to say this nation won’t make a “comeback” by political means.This nation needs to repent (starting with the church of course) and have a new/old Reformation. We need revival but the real thing not the crap that’s on TBN and INSP.

    (MN: Hi Ex-WoFer. Good to hear from you – and good to be heard from. Glad you understand what I was saying.

    I think this country more than deserves the current crop of politicians. As one man said, either we are in for some really, really rough times or God is going to have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah. Over fifty million babies killed in the last forty years and now almost half of Black pregnancies ending in the premeditated murder of the child? Homosexuality a “protected” minority? Marriage being redefined right before our eyes with the force of the federal government behind it? )

  6. Not Weary Says:

    Bro. Melvin, first let me say welcome back! I cannot say thanks enough for this posting. I was recently at a church meeting discussing prep for a black history month program. It was so disappointing to hear people go on and on praising President Obama – it was hero worship. Black people put their Christianity aside when it comes to him. I do feel he deserves respect as the president but I in no way support him, his policies, nor do I plan to vote for him. I know he is a puppet doing the bidding of hidden forces but ultimately God decides or allows kings to come to power. He is sovereign. I think Obama is in office for the same reason Pharoah was allowed to oppress Israel-so God can show that he is Lord and He is separating the wheat from the tares. Showing a clear distinctiom between His church and the world. God is also allowing certain things to happen so that prophecy be fulfilled towards Christ’s return. Its just sad that
    many are deceived. There really isn’t a good side in politics since its all Hegelian dialectic-different sides of the same coin. Democrats push so-called social equality while perpetuating the
    moral decline of our society. Repubs claim to support traditional values while supporting the corporate elite at the expense of the middle and lower classes. Whats most interesting is with this current administration they have a nice blend of both. I am a black woman registered as independent. I cant in good conscience vote for a Mormon so I’ll be looking at independent candidates. Or maybe I’ll write in a name :-). Bottom line my faith is in Christ, not a president or any system built by this world! …My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Keep up the excellent work. May God bless you and your family and continue to be a voice crying out !!

  7. Kevyj67 Says:

    Glad to se you are back, Benevolent D!!
    I am glad to see that not all blacks are in love with the O’s (Obama, or Oprah). I have been telling my parents as well as others that this man IS NOT A CHRISTIAN!!! But because he sites verses out of Bible out of context (i.e. “To whom much is given, much is required”) he thinks that this proves he’s a Christian.

    As has been indicated by other sources he was quoted as saying that he ‘believes in other ways to God’. (interviewed in the Chicago-Sun Times in 2004). Didn’t Jesus say that man cannot serve two masters?

    In that same 2004 interview he said that he didn’t like the Apostle Paul because he was a racist. Hmm? Was Paul a racist? Paul initially hated Christians . Weren’t the early Christians made of primarilly of converted Jews as well as Gentiles. That would make a bigot right?

    This man still hasn’t even joined a church yet. Over 3 years and still not getting discipled. Black pride wins out over the Word of God again..

  8. Naijelle Says:

    Obama is a joke….I am so sick of people in this world hanging onto his every word like he is God himself. If they paid attention in economics class they would know that the presidential candidate can promise them the stars and the moon but, when it comes down to it, the house has to be in agreement. I do not vote…mainly because there is nothing good that will come out of this world. These politicians are inter-twined and mingle with the pulpit pimps. T.D. Jakes has been known to be spiritual advisor to some presidents like Clinton and Bush…(and Jakes could not lead me to water). The politicians use “christianity” losely for voting purposes and I would not be surprised if they even pay them (pulpit pimps) to sway their congregation. to vote in their favor. (since they have such control over their minds).

  9. Seekerman Says:

    Melvin, Obama is no more of a Christian, or less of a Christian, than those right wing, so called bible thumpers, who may be heavy on scripture, but low on Godly principles, as it relates to helping the least of these. Truth be told, this country will never elect the type of Christian president, you and your right wing buddies pine and crave for. This isn’t what the political system is about. I can care less if Obama’s a Christian, or not. My main thing is helping the least of these, which is the poor and middle income working class. Sure he has beliefs that I may not cotton towards, but his party and folks who think like him on certain social issues, are more aligned to my worldview, and how I interpret the biblical worldview, (MN: You don’t really interpret a biblical world view. You would actually have a biblical world view and that world view would determine such things as your politics, your ethics, and other such things. A world view is what you “hold” not what you interpret. Although it is determined by how you interpret the Scriptures. ) than some right wing, selfish, Ayn Rand, holier than thou, right wing loons, which is what much of the modern day Republican, and Libertarian parties, have become. And you are a royal FOOL for getting involved in such a discussion.

    (MN: First – I see you still haven’t learned to address the issues rather than behaving as if name calling refutes an argument. Second – go back and look at who the “least of these” are. That is, look at the context. Jesus describes them as His brothers, not the homeless; not those who are down on their luck. Not the generic poor and outcast. In fact, here is the entire section since you insist on quoting one small part of it and that part out of context:

    31 “But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne.
    32 “All the nations will be gathered before Him; and He will separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats;
    33 and He will put the sheep on His right, and the goats on the left.
    34 “Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
    35 ‘For I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me something to drink; I was a stranger, and you invited Me in;
    36 naked, and you clothed Me; I was sick, and you visited Me; I was in prison, and you came to Me.’
    37 “Then the righteous will answer Him, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry, and feed You, or thirsty, and give You something to drink?
    38 ‘And when did we see You a stranger, and invite You in, or naked, and clothe You?
    39 ‘When did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’
    40 “The King will answer and say to them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it to Me.’
    41 “Then He will also say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels;
    42 for I was hungry, and you gave Me nothing to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me nothing to drink;
    43 I was a stranger, and you did not invite Me in; naked, and you did not clothe Me; sick, and in prison, and you did not visit Me.’
    44 “Then they themselves also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not take care of You?’
    45 “Then He will answer them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’
    46 “These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

    Notice what he says: Whatever you did THESE BROTHERS OF MINE. First thing we have to do is narrow down the favorite verse of the Liberation theologians, community organizers, and socialists. Believe it or not, not all people are brothers of Jesus. He said in several places that the unsaved are children of the devil. That includes the unsaved poor, the unsaved prisoners, and the unsaved anything else. The only way THEY could be Jesus’ brothers is if He was a child of Satan. Are you sure you want to say that. Should we help the poor? Certainly. But it should be the individual helping the poor, not the Government taking from the individual to enslave the poor. Now that I’m back, let’s see if you can sing a new tune or if you are truly stuck on the same lame tune. Now, what you have to be willing to ask yourself (and God) at this point is “Who is Jesus talking about? And what are the circumstances He is referring to?” If you insist on staying with the Liberation Theology take on it, suit yourself. But don’t expect me to give you any credence at all.

    But I do see you are still making assumptions, condemning folks for the assumptions and talking about something all together different.

    You have a couple of three comments left. Then, based on my memory of your behavior last time…NO more posts for you. )

  10. Seekerman Says:

    Melvin, in certain respects, you’re an evil and misguided soul. I’m not denying your claims of salvation, but from a natural discerning eye, looking from the outside, it’s very hard to tell. I figured you would be too afraid to keep my post on your site, and go back and forth with me, because the truth stings. I’ll be praying for you.

    (MN: It’s good to see that there are constants in the universe. For instance, you still think calling a person a name establishes some kind of validity to your statements. What have I said that indicates I am misguided and evil? )

    • mhjones2001 Says:

      By the way Seekerman, what post did I not keep? And it’s certainly not that I am afraid to go back and forth with you. I simply don’t want to waste the readers’ time with endlessly repeated statements that rarely, if ever, deal with the issue. Your last couple of posting are perfect examples. You didn’t deal with the facts I stated about the president. Instead, you chose to attack conservatives and even then not with facts about policies (other than their failure to adhere to your misunderstanding of a portion of scripture. You don’t deal in facts. You deal in emotions, insults and vitriol. It’s amusing and educational to watch for a while, but after a bit it becomes boring and tedious. I was talking about the effect the Pulpit Pimps have on the Black voters and their worldview. You chose to talk about conservatives. But even with that, there were no facts – other than their failure to, as I said, conform to your very poor interpretation and application of Jesus’ dissertation in Matthew.

      Believe me Seekerman, you don’t scare me, your comments don’t sting, and I have better things to do than waste the readers’ time.

      Melvin

  11. seekerman Says:

    (MN: Folks, I posted this nonsense so you can see for yourself why Seekerman has been banned at various times. His knee jerk responses seem to have hit him in the head a couple or three times too many. For instance, I said you don’t interpret a world view, you hold one. He went on to say “Oh I don’t, really? And you do? How so?” So he still doesn’t understand what a world view is. But he natters on for about five hundred words. Give it a read if you want. But in all probability, unlike Tonne, he is going to be banned for a while.

    And I have no idea what he’s referring to when he speaks of me not posting his comments.

    But get your fill of him now. You won’t see him again for a bit. [Unless, of course, he can force himself to make relatively short comments, without trying to recap the past discussions in detail. But that’s up to him. )

    I said:

    Melvin, Obama is no more of a Christian, or less of a Christian, than those right wing, so called bible thumpers, who may be heavy on scripture, but low on Godly principles, as it relates to helping the least of these. Truth be told, this country will never elect the type of Christian president, you and your right wing buddies pine and crave for. This isn’t what the political system is about. I can care less if Obama’s a Christian, or not. My main thing is helping the least of these, which is the poor and middle income working class. Sure he has beliefs that I may not cotton towards, but his party and folks who think like him on certain social issues, are more aligned to my worldview, and how I interpret the biblical worldview,

    Melvin’s response:

    You don’t really interpret a biblical world view.

    Me:

    Oh I don’t, really? And you do? How so? You couldn’t prove it by me, with your Aynd Rand, selfish, and persnickety worldview towards the least of these, and the unsaved.

    Melvin:

    You would actually have a biblical world view and that world view would determine such things as your politics, your ethics, and other such things.

    Me:

    Oh really? Hmmm. I remember a couple of years ago, you said something similar about Christians voting for Barack Obama, and how wrong they were, seeing as how he (Obama) supported gay marriage and abortion. When I pointed out to you that Rudy Giuliani supported gay marriage and abortion, but was a republican, you’re response was akin to: “Well I would’ve voted for Rudy Giuliani if he had been the Republican nominee, as long as he lived a moral lifestyle.” This asinine response from you prompted me to ask, “Are you saying that Obama doesn’t live a moral lifestyle.” Needless to say, you didn’t post that (my) response to your statement, not because of the lie you blatantly perpetuate (i.e. I constantly repeat myself, with little substance), but because you didn’t have an adequate comeback.

    Having said that, I am not a one issue voter, which is a belief you claimed you adhered to (not being a one issue voter) a couple of years ago. When you and I were going back and forth back then, it was discovered that your ultimate line in the sand, in voting for a candidate, is if that candidate has economiclibertarian, Ayn Randish beliefs, not the moral/social issues, which you now claim determines your ultimate support for a politician. Oh don’t get me wrong, I don’t doubt you have strong beliefs as it relates to issues of morality, and how that dictates your voting support. But I’m not deceived into thinking that your support for a politician is solely based on that, and not the latter (e.g. selfish, anti-government assistance issues.).

    So called biblically correct Christians such as yourself, hide behind morals and values issues, just so that you’re anti-poor, anti the least of these agenda, can survive and flourish, and the sad thing is, you have other folks out there that are deceived by your fake Christian exterior, whereas within you’re full of dead men’s bones.

    I personally believe that helping the poor and the least of these, is a moral value as well. I believe it to be just as important of a topic, as the topic of abortion, or gay marriage, etc. HOWEVER, unlike wolves in sheep’s clothing, who masquerade themselves as Christians, and are full of pride, vanity, and ego, I take the needs of the least of these, and the policies that are enacted, and can be enacted to assist them, more pertinent and a priority, when it comes to my voting for a candidate, than someone, regardless of whether they are Christian or not, who’s anti-social security, Medicare, Medicaid, student loans, pall grants, etc. You tend to vote you’re selfish and haughtiness, while claiming that it’s biblical, whereas I vote from the standpoint of a biblical worldview, in that I look out for the least of these.
    Melvin said:

    A world view is what you “hold” not what you interpret. Although it is determined by how you interpret the Scriptures.

    My response:

    Yeah whatever old man. My interpretation of scripture, as it relates to helping the least of these, which is something you hate and disdain with a passion, is more biblical, from a both old and new testament standpoint (do you really want to go into a scriptural battle on this one topic?), than your selfish, objectionable, Ayn Rand, let them eat cake, pseudo Christian political beliefs.

    Simply put, your interpretation of scripture, and you prioritize, in order to back up you and your dirty religio-political beliefs, is dead wrong as the day is long.

    I said:

    than some right wing, selfish, Ayn Rand, holier than thou, right wing loons, which is what much of the modern day Republican, and Libertarian parties, have become. And you are a royal FOOL for getting involved in such a discussion.

    Melvin can only say:

    First – I see you still haven’t learned to address the issues rather than behaving as if name calling refutes an argument.

    Me:

    Melvin, stop lying and deceiving the masses-you only hope that is the case. Simply put, like a cult leader that you are, you’re trying to convince others of something that doesn’t even exist, seeing as how I am constantly addressing the issues that I disagree with. The name calling that I’m invoking against you, in betwixt my truth-telling, is much deserved when it comes to someone like you, who I view as a wolf in sheep’s clothing, on so many levels, despite your sometimes good work.

    Melvin then said:

    Second –

    Me:

    Uh-huh?

    Melvin:

    go back and look at who the “least of these” are.

    My response:

    I have. They are everyday people, much to your chagrin.

    Melvin:

    That is, look at the context.

    Me:

    Okay?

    Jesus describes them as His brothers, not the homeless; not those who are down on their luck. Not the generic poor and outcast. In fact, here is the entire section since you insist on quoting one small part of it and that part out of context:
    31 “But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne.
    32 “All the nations will be gathered before Him; and He will separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats;
    33 and He will put the sheep on His right, and the goats on the left.
    34 “Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
    35 ‘For I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me something to drink; I was a stranger, and you invited Me in;
    36 naked, and you clothed Me; I was sick, and you visited Me; I was in prison, and you came to Me.’
    37 “Then the righteous will answer Him, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry, and feed You, or thirsty, and give You something to drink?
    38 ‘And when did we see You a stranger, and invite You in, or naked, and clothe You?
    39 ‘When did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’
    40 “The King will answer and say to them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it to Me.’
    41 “Then He will also say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels;
    42 for I was hungry, and you gave Me nothing to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me nothing to drink;
    43 I was a stranger, and you did not invite Me in; naked, and you did not clothe Me; sick, and in prison, and you did not visit Me.’
    44 “Then they themselves also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not take care of You?’
    45 “Then He will answer them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’
    46 “These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

    Notice what he says: Whatever you did THESE BROTHERS OF MINE. First thing we have to do is narrow down the favorite verse of the Liberation theologians, community organizers, and socialists. Believe it or not, not all people are brothers of Jesus. He said in several places that the unsaved are children of the devil. That includes the unsaved poor, the unsaved prisoners, and the unsaved anything else. The only way THEY could be Jesus’ brothers is if He was a child of Satan. Are you sure you want to say that. Should we help the poor? Certainly. But it should be the individual helping the poor, not the Government taking from the individual to enslave the poor. Now that I’m back, let’s see if you can sing a new tune or if you are truly stuck on the same lame tune. Now, what you have to be willing to ask yourself (and God) at this point is “Who is Jesus talking about? And what are the circumstances He is referring to?” If you insist on staying with the Liberation Theology take on it, suit yourself. But don’t expect me to give you any credence at all.

    My response:

    When you interpret scripture, you must interpret scripture in light of other scripture. There are verses in the bible, where Jesus instructs his followers to help the poor, and trust me, the poor that Jesus was referring to, had little to do with being his brothers in the faith, or in the natural. The parable of the Good Samaritan (Luke 10:30-37), where Jesus talks about someone (a Samaritan) who the Jews considered a vile enemy, and not of the faith, didn’t have anything to do with a believer helping a sinner, but rather a sinner helping a “believer.” In other words, this parable is breaking down any racial or ethnic barriers, by displaying the humanity and brotherhood of all men, while at the same time showing that assisting your fellow human being is universal, whether they are approved (saved; regenerated) of God, or not.

    Also when Jesus told the young rich man to sell all that he has, and distribute it to the poor (Luke 18:18-25), he wasn’t talking about folks who are saved, and believed in Jesus as the messiah, rather, he was talking about humanity in general, who just so happen to be afflicted with poverty and dire strait situations. If you tell me that Jesus wasn’t referring to the poor in general, but to believers only, then you’re lack of scriptural understanding on this topic, is solidly lacking.

    Therefore, my interpretation of the “Brothers” word by Jesus, is universal in context, for what he is doing is identifying himself with sinful humanity, in that he can relate to being poor, despised, hated, and thought so little of, unlike decadent fat cat Christians (or those aspirants), who are low information voters, and are selfish Ayn Rand believers, using Christianity as a mask, and justification, to mask their insidious anti-God, anti-poor and working class agendas.

    And of course unsaved folks are qualitatively children of the devil, from a biblically technical standpoint, seeing as how they’re not regenerated; but so were the people Jesus healed in his lifetime, as well as the apostles he chose. Now that I think about it, Mary, his mother, along with Joseph, his father, was children of the devil-so were Jesus’ siblings. But did this stop Jesus from helping them, and coexisting amongst them, as a light in the darkness?

    I realize your Calvinistic beliefs hold to the fact that people are preordained to heaven and to hell, and that those who are blessed to be a part of God’s club is special (of course you deny this, but the truth is ever apparent), to where you even get turned on by the fact that others are going to hell, and you’re not, because God loved you, and hated those people over there, somewhere, down there-but that doesn’t make your interpretation on how Jesus’ views the poor, biblically stable.

    Melvin then said:

    But I do see you are still making assumptions, condemning folks for the assumptions and talking about something all together different.

    My response:

    I’m sorry Melvin, but this desperate attempt at denigrating the solid and hard-hitting truths I’m putting forth, just doesn’t stick. Not only is what you’re saying a lie, but like a worthless hound dog that has seen better days-IT JUST DON’T HUNT.

    Melvin said:

    You have a couple of three comments left. Then, based on my memory of your behavior last time…NO more posts for you.

    My response:

    That’s fine. I’m not worried about being a regular on your site, or even with being your friend. I’m obviously not trying to win a popularity contest. The fact that my message is getting out there, even though it is deleted, or strongly opposed-is well enough. These words of mine need to be heard.

  12. tee jay Says:

    Mel Man,

    Differences aside (and there are more than a few), I take exception to your generalization and–in my opinion–the subtle race baiting of black people on this post and the Tyler Perry post. I can’t recall you doing that with other races, but I am getting older and forgetful.

    Peace and blessings

    (MN: What generalizations did I make? I spoke specifically about Price and somewhat more generally about the Pulpit Pimps. Race baiting? Really?!?! Even in a broad definition of the term the site can hardly be considered to partake in a baiting of the races. One of the first articles I did was Ken Copeland. Last time I checked, Copeland is white. I have covered Oral Roberts, Benny Hinn (and his screaming wife), two Paulk dudes in Atlanta (one was his nephew’s father), the Meares here in PG county, Joel “Willowboy” Osteen, the now broke owner of the Crystal Cathedral in California, Paula White, Joyce Meyers, the rather plentiful John Hagee, the big haired lady and her husband on TBN, and a few others. In what way am I race baiting? In what way am I even being sexist? Maybe you are getting forgetful. )

  13. tee jay Says:

    Mel Man,

    I wasn’t talking about all of the other posts or the site in general (and I didn’t say you were being sexist). I was talking specifically about the President Obama and Tyler Perry posts.

    I quote you:

    Another bit of damage the pulpit pimps have done is to make religious Black people so spiritually stupid…

    When compared to ANY Republican candidate, the Blacks surveyed went anywhere from 93 percent to 95 percent for Obama.

    Black voters preferred Mr. Obama 95 percent to 3 percent over Mitt Romney, “which is at least the margin he got in 2008,” said Michael Dimock, associate director for research at Pew. “There’s no erosion at all.” And according to a February 2 2012 Pew Report, 88 percent of Blacks are either Democrat or lean toward Democrat affiliation.

    Obama and the democrats have done more to support the deaths of literally millions of Black babies through abortions.

    But my point in all of this is that if you ask the average Black who attends the church of one of the pimps, that Black will argue you into the ground that Obama is a Christian.

    Thanks to the pimps, religious Blacks view Obama as a savior. Thanks to Obama, Blacks are perishing financially.

    But I can guarantee you there are folks out there, especially the religious Blacks who will swear before God that the man is born again.

    Over fifty million babies killed in the last forty years and now almost half of Black pregnancies ending in the premeditated murder of the child?

    So I decided to take my wife out to a movie the other day. In doing so, I got slapped in the face with the continued deterioration of the culture, this time aimed at Black folks who apparently play at Christianity.

    “Good Deeds” has proven to be a conduit of a secular world view and delivering that world view directly into the culture, generally the religious Black culture.

    Tyler Perry has made a fortune writing and producing plays, TV comedies and movies that mock the Black church

    You dropped the B-Word 14 times in the 11 statements from the two essays; you used “generally” once, but implied it more than once.

    How would these statements sound if instead of using black you used white?

    (MN: Let’s try it and see:

    Tyler Perry has made a fortune writing and producing plays, TV comedies and movies that mock the White church – Nope. That doesn’t work too well. He hasn’t made any movies or TV series mocking the White church. He made them to mock the Black Church.

    “Good Deeds” has proven to be a conduit of a secular world view and delivering that world view directly into the culture, generally the religious WHite culture – Nope. That doesn’t work either. “Mr. Deeds is a movie specifically targeting Black audiences.

    So I decided to take my wife out to a movie the other day. In doing so, I got slapped in the face with the continued deterioration of the culture, this time aimed at White folks who apparently play at Christianity – Nope. It still doesn’t work. The movie wasn’t aimed at Whites. It targets Blacks.

    Over fifty million babies killed in the last forty years and now almost half of White pregnancies ending in the premeditated murder of the child – Gosh, that still doesn’t work. Whites don’t kill half of their unborn through abortion. Blacks do.

    But I can guarantee you there are folks out there, especially the religious Whites who will swear before God that the man is born again. Lookee here. It still doesn’t work, or make much sense. The religious Whites don’t think he’s a Christian, religious Blacks do.

    And it goes on that way. Try to remember that the article was written with two things in mind: 1) The pimps are ruining Black culture by systematically destroying the theology of Blacks. Yes, whites are having their understanding of God destroyed as well, but hey, I’m Black and I am concerned about the effect on Blacks- the destruction of their faith, their complete defenselessness to a secular world view. 2. Mr. Obama doesn’t have the support of 95% of Whites and is not supported by Word of Fatih Whites who tend to be conservative. They don’t care if he’s Black. They just want him to stop destroying the nation. Religious Blacks (and to be fair, non-religious Blacks) support him JUST BECAUSE HE’S Black. And this is exactly the point – religion Blacks seem incapable of holding a consistent Christian world view when it comes to matters of race. And the Pulpit Pimps do absolutely NOTHING to train them otherwise. Religious Blacks are to busy being the head and not the tail, walking in their destiny, and having their best lives now to pay attention to what Obama actually stands for or what the implications are in a movie they plop down $12 dollars a shot. The fact that he’s destroying Black lives right along with White, Asian, Latino, and Jewish lives doesn’t seem to be important. He’s a Black man as president, and that’s what’s important.

    I won’t bother to address the rest of what you said. )

    In all of your posting how many times do you drop White or Asian or Mexican or Jewish?

    How would these essays sound if a White, Mexican or Jewish person wrote it? (It would actually sound like something Rush Limbaugh wrote)

    Outside of Paula White, you generally don’t drop the W-word.

    So yes, you are race baiting, because you could’ve written these essays without even mentioning black, but you didn’t because you are purposely trying to get a rise out of black people (and I know what race you are, but sometimes it’s hard to tell, which is ironic). (MN: Why is it ironic. I am generally not writing as a Black. I am writing as a Christian and appealing to Christians who are stuck in or know others who are stuck in the clutches of one or more of the Pimps. Race is generally incidental to the postings. Of course, at times the topic (such as this one) will lend itself to race and religion, usually in the form of the Pimps destroying the spiritual lives of Blacks.)

    When was the last time you generalized white conservative/republican evangelicals? I can’t recall because it appears that you consider yourself a part of this particular group. (MN: Nothing within the White conservative/Republican evangelical environment has been limited to White conservative evangelicals.) Have you talked about how they still think the president wasn’t born in the USA or that he is a muslim? Or how about how religious white people consider US patriotism/empirialism/capitalism/exceptionalism/nationalism and Christianity one and the same? (MN: No. But why would I? I’m more interested in warning people of the eternal dangers posed by the Pimps than I am trying to address rants and mini-rants like the one you just threw out. )

    You differentiate between regular people and “black” people when you address religious folks. Why do they have to be “religious black folks” instead of just religious folks? (MN: Because the article is about Religious Black folks. They are the ones susceptible to the Pimps. Rashan, sleeping in late on Sundays and taking his girlfriend to the abortion clinic on Monday, is an entirely different issue. I try to avoid writing about two issues in a single posting. )

    I will probably address the other specific points you brought up.

    Peace and blessings

    (MN: You should probably count them, but in responding to you, I think I beat the number of times I used the B-word. Seems like it’s somewhere around 15 or 16. Do I get a prize?)

  14. walksbyf8h Says:

    Melvin,

    You forgot one HUGE decision or I got too warm to read straight (LOL:

    * the revocation of the Defense of Marriage Act

    There is absolutely, positively, no excuse – NONE. And quite frankly, I’ve tired of professing christians trying to pretend that they have a right to set the color of their collective skin (be it black, brown, yellow, red, or white) above the Word of G-D. That goes for national flags, too, to the Dominionists out there.

    Since I am Black, here’s my position. I don’t care one whop if some buck-preachin’ sack of dust stands in a pulpit quoting Scripture whole cloth; if they support this man, they and their ignorant sheep, are my enemy because they are the enemy of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

    It’s no better than Klansmen profess to be Christian when they violate the humanity of others. I’ve had it with tares; more than have had my fill of them.

    (MN: Very well put. No more Christian than the Klansmen who do the things they do. I’m going to steal that and use it a couple of times – with your permission of course. )

    • tee jay Says:

      To the readers from Melvin

      Tee Jay still seems to think that my job in running this site is to give him a platform for his nonsense, and very long, rants. But it’s not.

      He did another one, equally as personal and scatter gunned as the last one. As I warned previously, he doesn’t get the latest one posted.

      Here’s a hint Tee Jay, try to say what you have to say in fifty words or less. Other wise, don’t bother.

  15. tee jay Says:

    Tee Jay had a lot to say in his latest comment. Unfortunately, the lot was mostly the same non-relevant material he usually spews.

    Being a fair (as I define “fair”) benevolent dictator, I didn’t want to simply dump the comment. But being a kind (as I define “kind”) I didn’t want you to be automatically exposed to the drivel when you visited the site. As such, I have arranged for you to download his comment. If you simply click here, the massive tome called Tee Jay’s Rant will download and you can read it at your leisure and, I hope, to your amusement and dismay.

    Unfortunately, if Tee Jay chooses to submit another such bulky document, I will likely neither read it, nor post it. If he can force himself to be a bit more pithy, well…we’ll see.

  16. LiveOne Says:

    You are a hermeneutical pretzel. Keep up it up…always good for a laugh. Who, exactly, are you trying to convince of your salvation? Anyway, thanks again for the laughs.

  17. M.P. Lincoln Says:

    (MN: It’s been a while in coming, but I think we have our first genuine Knee Jerk Reaction. They even use the “God spoke through a donkey excuse.)

    This is my first time to your site. I too used to be a member of a mega church so I find some of your post interesting however I do want to say you are very judgmental and just like you speak of the pimps painting the picture their way, you do the same thing.

    (MN: So let me make sure I understand. I’m being -shudder, shudder – judgmental as I speak out against the pimps. And this is apparently a bad thing. But you are not being judgmental as you speak out against me. Can you tell me again how that works. )

    As for the President, he is a politician, not a Pastor. And while I don’t question his religious beliefs, because that is certainly between him and God, the last time I checked a particular religious belief is not a requirement of being the President.

    (MN: The issue here is not whether or not he is a Christian. I’m relatively certain he is not. The issue is that many Black people jump up and down and swear he is a wonderful Christian man. I am talking to them about their seemingly complete lack of discernment. If they are going to claim to be such discerning Christians, then they need to start discerning. Obama promotes homosexuality, abortion, crippling welfare and a host of other principle in complete opposition to Christian principles. He sat under a man who preaches hate, denies the inspiration of Scripture, and voted against providing aid to babies who survived an abortion. The basis for this objection? He viewed the law as an attemtp to somehow restrict abortion. No, he’s not my pastor. But the standards laid out in scripture are for all who profess to be a Christian. He has so professed so he gets measured by the standard. )

    Just as you’re saying he is not a Christian I could say the same about you and some of those leaving comments on these stories. I read enough that I couldn’t leave your site without posting. If you stayed neutral, reported the stories and let your readers make their own decisions about what to believe about the subjects of these stories it would make this site a better site.

    (MN: Maybe you didn’t notice. The site isn’t about being neutral. It’s about warning sheeple like you; to help you to understand why you should stay as far from the pimps (big one, little one, and political one) as possible. You seem to think it’s wrong to call them out. Maybe you can show me from Scripture where that is so. I can certainly show you from Scripture why I do what I do. )

    Also the Bible says that God is not a respecter of persons. If you recall He spoke through an ass in the Bible. As such, he can speak through the subjects of your stories even if they aren’t living their lives as perfect as you think they should be. Just as he can speak through you and this blog. Have a nice day.

  18. Conversion Says:

    Bravo… Matt. 7:14 but small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life and only a few find it.

  19. Conversion Says:

    FYI: to writer of this site… I can not believe there are so many even in the church that are lost. Jesus warned us. I can not find a church to attend because of this, I feel so alone in this wicked world. JESUS help me :'(

  20. eutawangel Says:

    I shared, good article but I also agree with “nehemiah fights” Bush shared he did not believe Jesus was the only way. Obama is more out right antichrist & possiblt the worst of 2 evils…but no Republican is not the way to go for me. I could not vote for antichrist mormon Romney…so I voted for no one & choose an Independent. I would vote for a Democrat NOT pushing the Lucerferian agenda of abortion esp. late term, same sex marriage blasphemy, abortion, or Repbulican willing to do same. But yes I agree, with most of this commentary.

  21. Kurt Says:

    I read your articles about the president and agree with your assessment on him. I have taken verbal beatdowns by many who support the current president, and won’t stand to hear anything that they deem negative about him. I have heard numerous times, that “he’s not your pastor, he’s your president.” Which is a cute little catch phrase to protect their hero. I have had to also verbally attack that madness that they spew. That being said, we as the body of Christ should not be picking either side. We are supposed to stand for the word of God. Forget political leanings, the 43’rd president was no better than this one. These people are all running their part of a race that is to make the antichrist more acceptable to the general population. So instead of us looking for the lesser of two evils (which always equals us accepting evil), we need to pray for our leaders as the bible says, but when they go against the word of God, call them out regardless of their party affiliation.

    • Dishon Says:

      True… Just sharing. Iron sharpens iron. With all respect, where does it say in the Word to call someone out?? Doesn’t it say do not judge the world, God will judge those? 1Corth. 5:12-13

      (MN: Let’s start with Romans 16, the end of the chapter. Peter tells us to. Paul called out Peter and wrote about it in Galatians. The Scriptures have lots of references that do seem to point out the need to expose false teachers. )

      • Dishon Says:

        I appreciate you. I read Romans 16 I saw where we are told to make note of false teachers and to avoid them but I did not see where to call them out. Can you give me specific scriptures please? Thank you.

        (MN: Jude says that we are to contend for the faith, once delivered to the saints [Jude 3]. Paul, when he saw the foolishness of Peter, called him out and told the Galatians about it [Gal 2, starting at verse 11]. Jesus tells us we are to judge righteous judgment [several places]. The church is to discipline those who are in disobedience [1 Cor 5:1 and following. The man who teaches another gospel is to be accursed [Gal 1:8]. In at least one place, Paul names more names. )

        Side note: I appreciate you exposing the truth. I believe that, well it helps me see how many people are blind by deception and when exposed they call it hateful O.o that blows me away. The Word of God says satan deceives the WHOLE world. I think if we stop thinking were such good people or a “good ” person then maybe God would have mercy. God says our righteousness is as filthy rags and He means just that. Jesus said no one is good not one!

        (MN: Be careful not to apply this with too absolutely. Psalms says the steps of the good man are ordere by the Lord. The Bible also says that those in Christ are righteous, even as Abraham was promounced righteous. Apart from the righteousness of Christ, we have no righteousness. But in Christ, walking in faith in the work Jesus did on the cross, we are indeed righteous. And haveing been born again, we seek to do righteousness; not because it makes us right with God, but because we are right with God. )

        One thing my brother the Bible says do not answer a fool and you have answered to many on here. Having eyes but can’t see and hears they can’t hear and Jesus said its for a reason. Be careful, with love and peace to you.

        • mhjones2001 Says:

          Until I get to my laptop: I answer the fool as a visual aid to the rest if you. And in general, I don’t let them natter on forever. You will see that several times I have ended a thread with an individual who is going around in circles.

        • Kurt Says:

          How are you sir, than you very much for your input. I really appreciate listening, and learning from others who are trying to be what God has called us to be. The scripture I am about to post is a little off the question that you asked, but I believe it will assist in what we are discussing.

          1 Corinthians 6:2-3
          King James Version (KJV)

          2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?

          3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

          Matthew 18:15-17
          King James Version (KJV)

          15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.

          16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.

          17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

          Mark 6:18
          18 For John had said unto Herod , It is not lawful for thee to have thy brother’s wife.

          But I will refer you to examples of where the men of God took a stand against leaders that were blatantly trying to take them away from their worship of the Lord, or were doing things that were unsightly in the eyes of the Lord.

          Example 1: In Chapter 3 of the book of Daniel when king Nebuchadnezzar order Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego to worship the idol, they refused, because they did not recognize it as worthy of worship. They were willing to be thrown into the furnace.

          Example 2: When king Darius signed the decree saying no one should ask of any man or God for anything for 30 days Daniel refused and was thrown into a lions den. That is located in Daniel chapter 6.

          Example 3: When David had Uriah killed, Nathan spoke to king David about the wrong he had done: 2 Samuel 12:1-7

          I really didn’t want to take up this much space, but I hope your question has been answered.

  22. Ms E Says:

    I voted for my own (write-in) Candidate—Jesus Christ. Side note: Blacks make up less than 15% of the population so I think that, in spite of those Blacks who did foolishly vote for Obumma, it was the Caucasians who ultimately put that clown in office. I’m neither Republican nor Democrat, but a very conservative Independent.

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