Doctrine Matters. Really It Does. And So Does an Understanding of Our History.

The speaker in the YouTube clip below is Dr. Frederick Haynes the Third.  He’s the pastor of  Friendship-WestBaptistChurch,DallasTexas.

I want you to listen to what he says.

Notice, later in the clip, he states that we are majoring in what Jesus minored in.  He goes on to say that Jesus never spoke against homosexuality.

It’s easy enough to dismiss this with the observation that Jesus never spoke out against polygamy.  Do a search in the Bible and you will not find the word “polygamy” being used by Jesus.  You won’t find him using the word pedophilia either.  And you won’t find Him using the term “bestiality” or abortion  So does that mean these four practices are acceptable to God?

The fact that Jesus didn’t speak against homosexuality doesn’t make the practice any more right than His not speaking out against (and I emphasize “against”) man-boy love, inter-generational love (children and adults), bestiality, or abortion makes those activities and proclivities morally acceptable.

However, to claim Jesus didn’t say anything about same-sex, or homosexual “marriage” is to silence Scripture where it quite loudly speaks.  At this point you may ask “Melvin, what are you talking about?”  As some of the pimps like to say, “Watch this.”

When Jesus was talking to the Pharisees, Jesus responded to a question about divorce.  He said:

6 “But from the beginning of creation, God made them male and female.

7 “For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother,

8 and the two shall become one flesh; so they are no longer two, but one flesh.

9 “What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate.”

Notice what Jesus does here.  He defines marriage as an act taking place between a man and a woman.  He is very specific.  He didn’t say “And for the reason a person shall leave his parental unit and the person shall cleave to his or her significant other.”  No, he was pretty specific.  The pairing is to be man and woman.  The man and the woman are to become one flesh.  If people who love to quote Jesus are going to be obedient, they need to quote this as well.

In speaking to the Jews (especially the Scribes and Pharisees), Jesus pointed out that He didn’t come to abolish the law, but rather to fulfill it, to be completely obedient to the entire sets of moral, legal, and sacrificial laws.  (Matthew 5:17).  And what was included in those sets of laws?  A prohibition of homosexual acts (right along with adultery, fornication, stealing, and others).  And while the sacrificial laws are no more (Jesus fulfilled all of them) and the legal codes are no more (we are not a theocracy), the moral laws remain – unless you think stealing, murder, lying and adultery are okay now.

The claim that Jesus doesn’t address homosexuality is made either because a person is ignorant (but Dr. Haynes is a PhD right?) or because they are dishonest. But the one thing they are not is accurate.

Aside from the obvious error and failure to handle God’s word accurately, there is also the idea of making people comfortable in their sins.  Here is a clip from “The Young Turks.”  Notice what they say about the Bible, “hate speech”, and sin.

Dr. Haynes should be ashamed of himself.  He is attempting to mislead his congregation.  And from the looks of the audience, he is succeeding in doing that with a large number of them.  And he is lying to the unsaved.  The Turks think he’s great.  And why shouldn’t they?  He just got rid of all judgment, righteous or otherwise.  And he made people who are faithful to the Bible look like a bunch of bigoted hate mongers.  Remember to thank Dr. Haynes when the state tells you to stop preaching against homosexuality and they refer to “men of God” like him as the reason for punishing you.

Of course, this fellow from North Carolina, does an equally effective job of tarnishing the name of Christ and his followers.

15 Responses to “Doctrine Matters. Really It Does. And So Does an Understanding of Our History.”

  1. Anonymous Says:

    You are very on point with what Jesus said. He never spoke on drunk driving, but we do know that drunkeness is a sin. My stomach hurts from the frustrations I see daily with the perversion of the Gospel. Keep on bro.

  2. zombiesnthechurch Says:

    This is one of the many problems in the IC (institutionalized church) of todays society—they so readily follow, worship and serve anything that the so called men/women of ‘god’ has to say and or do– and most are nothing but self-rightous, selfish, pimps of the gospel that PREY on people with expectations that the ZOMBIES they lead DONT read their Bible for themselves, DONT challenge their most of the time just eloquent ‘put-together’ sermons that promise ‘blessings’ that you have to pay for and certain curses if you refuse to conform…how is that leadership? more of dictatorship from the OUTSIDE looking in….it is so sad and unbelievable how so many people can follow mans justification of HIMSELF—- while going against the true Will and understanding of God……..

  3. 2centseach Says:

    I like this post. I have been wondering lately how so many gay Chrisrians justify their sin? I know all sin is equakly bad, but that doesnt make being gay more okay than being a murderer.

    And before some one comments that homosexuals are born that way: that may be true, we are all born sinners. But we can’t remain that way after meeting Jesus. I could argue that I was born to slap people in the face. So its okay…

  4. Michael H. Says:

    I don’t have anything to add. My only comment is that this is an excellent, no make that outstanding, post. Great Job!

  5. Timanda Says:

    I find it interesting that the front of his pulpit has what looks like an ankh on it. I knew it was an Egyptian hieroglyph, but a quick spin on google revealed it has connections to gnosticism as well. I know that’s rather off the point, but I’m wondering how in the world that’s justified to anyone who notices.

    (MN: The ankh was one of the first things I noticed. It’s not justifiable, but it sure makes it easier to understand where this bozo stands. Remember, he is a buddy of Mr. Brown, out of Ebenezer AME. Brown, you may remember, invited Louis “Calypso Louie” Farrakahn to speak at Ebenezer some four years ago. The people there jumped up and down call Calypso Louie a man of God and all kinds of other really stupid things. I would be interested in what Brown has to say about Mr. Haynes’ tirade against standards. )

    • trayjay Says:

      Mel, it’s been years since I’ve posted here or anywhere, but just wanted to tell you this….I used to live in Dallas and in the early to mid 90s, Farrakan wanted to come to a black church to do one of his services. Pretty much all of the black pastors said no because his message was against Christ – all except Haynes. He said (basically – I cannot remember his exact quote) that he wasn’t so wrapped up in his theology that he can’t support his ethnicity, and allowed Louie to come and have his “service” at Haynes’ church, Friendship West. Friendship West was at that time located in a much smaller building on Keist Blvd. People also do not know that (at least at one point in time) that Erikah Badu is a member of his church, so I wonder how much she influences him with her beliefs. We (a lot of the christians who looked on and watched) often wondered and talked about the spiritual results of Haynes allowing that anti-christ spirit to be loosed in his church and how long it would take before the evidence of it would show up. When I accidentally came across the website of the company that built the new building, it blew my mind as it was years later, I’m living in Ohio, and wasn’t even thinking about that whole scenario (I was researching luxury home builders – yes, I was dreaming again LOL). But when I saw that the name of the Church was Friednship West, I did a little more research and found that it was indeed the same Freddie Haynes. The ank is not only on the podium, it is above the baptismal pool and on the back of every seat in the church, so you cannot escape it. His church also has 3 pyramids atop it. I covered some of this in an article that I wrote here: http://home.fuse.net/trayjay.tamar/THE%20QUICKSAND%20EFFECT.htm I don’t expect you to actually post this (nor am I asking you to post this link), I just wanted to share this information with you. Keep up the good work and I’m praying for Peggy.

  6. Not Weary Says:

    I noticed not just the ankh but pyramids and wings all over their logo too. I wouldn’t be suprised if Haynes is a paid agent or something. I believe there are so-called “pastors” who are put in positions to lead people astray and further certain agendas as much as the self-made “money cometh” regular old pulpit pimps. And some of the self-made pimps are probably recruited once they show how low they are by the appointed agents and that’s when you see their game taken to a whole different level. Haynes is definitely serving a purpose to pervert the gospel. The saddest part is how most of the audience (I can’t call that a congregation) was just eating it up. It’s interesting what he said about how we judge other people to deflect our own sin or something like that. I believe it’s the opposite. Many Christians are quick to defend same sex “marriage” and homosexuality in general with the whole “live and let live” mantra because by condoning one sin they are covering their own. Why should I criticize what two grown people do behind closed doors? Really, what that means is you don’t want to criticize that because you don’t want to stop fornicating yourself. I love how Haynes kept saying “I gotta hang out here” over and over. I hope he understands he’s preparing to hang out in hell for eternity. We are living in the days of 2 Timothy folks!!

  7. Not Surprised Says:

    Two words. False prophet.

  8. Not Surprised Says:

    I have two word for Dr. Haynes “False Prophet”. Carolina Pastor Worley is dead wrong for his comments as well.

  9. Nigel C Says:

    Up to minute 6:00 he hadn’t supported anything he claimed with scripture

  10. walt Says:

    ” Let no man deceive you” ( Matt.24:4). I heard this deceiver say he was preaching the gospel,what a lie,and look at those blind, ignorant people standing in support of this foolishness. All unrightousness is sin and that includes homosexuality. The spirit of antichrist is working in these last days.

  11. Trey Harris Says:

    Good post Melv, hows The Decline of African American Theology coming?

    (MN: Started it to at least get it in the queue. Not bad so far. I got some dirty looks when a friend saw it sitting on my couch. )

  12. Jade Says:

    Great post, I love the scripture that was used. Excellent.

  13. Ms Anderson Says:

    Homosexuals say they want their “rights.” As American citizens, homosexuals, being either male or female (the ONLY genders there are), already have the same rights and privileges as heterosexuals; (heterosexuals being either male or female as well). People (homosexuals and people who support homosexuality) have created new names for homosexuals, who are crying for special rights. The now are gay, lesbian, transgender, transvestite, bisexual, for example, which I guess seems more palatable to the ear.

    Whatever the sexual preference anyone has, they are still protected under the laws of the United States. Two men having sex together = male gender, both. Two females having sex together = female gender, both. A person changing their sexual organs through surgical mutilation, is still either a male changing his sex organs to female, or a female changing her sex organs to resemble a male person’s organs. This equates to a male trying to become a female or a female trying to become a male. Still male or female and no new gender has been generated at all. So why should there be any special provisions or laws for them? They made the choices themselves, therefore, let them live within the same laws just as heterosexuals are living and being protected under these same EXISTING laws. They are welcome to their “heaven on earth” as, unless they repent and receive Christ as their Lord and Savior, just like any other sinner, their life here on Earth is the only Heaven they will ever enjoy.

    I do hope and pray that nothing I’ve included in my comments were inappropriate for posting on this Christian site. If so, please forgive me or edit it to your satisfaction. My sincere thanks to you.

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